Comments on: Grigsby’s War in the East http://flashofsteel.com/index.php/2009/06/29/grigsbys-war-in-the-east/ The Best Strategy Game Blog in My House Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:15:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: George http://flashofsteel.com/index.php/2009/06/29/grigsbys-war-in-the-east/comment-page-1/#comment-216405 George Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:56:45 +0000 http://flashofsteel.com/?p=1592#comment-216405 :-) actually I am proud of Beethoven, Mozart, Einstein and Kafka. hm... Kafka was not German, but he wrote in german... thanks anyway... :-) actually I am proud of Beethoven, Mozart, Einstein and Kafka. hm… Kafka was not German, but he wrote in german…

thanks anyway…

]]> By: Scott R. Krol http://flashofsteel.com/index.php/2009/06/29/grigsbys-war-in-the-east/comment-page-1/#comment-216401 Scott R. Krol Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:25:08 +0000 http://flashofsteel.com/?p=1592#comment-216401 I remember how shocking it was when a friend used to host exchange students and when we played Third Reich the student from Germany would not play Germany!! What do they teach them over there? George, you should be proud of your country's military heritage, especially since with Kriegspiel you could say the Germans (Prussians) invented wargames! Yes, bad things happen in war but wargames aren't about those things. I remember how shocking it was when a friend used to host exchange students and when we played Third Reich the student from Germany would not play Germany!! What do they teach them over there?

George, you should be proud of your country’s military heritage, especially since with Kriegspiel you could say the Germans (Prussians) invented wargames! Yes, bad things happen in war but wargames aren’t about those things.

]]> By: George http://flashofsteel.com/index.php/2009/06/29/grigsbys-war-in-the-east/comment-page-1/#comment-216394 George Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:12:04 +0000 http://flashofsteel.com/?p=1592#comment-216394 I am very interessted in history and games. So I like to read manuals, play tutorials of some strategy games. I have Hearts od Iron II, Civ IV, Sim City IV, Rise of Nations, Alpha Centaury, Birth of America, Combat Mission and Second Manassas, Waterloo. Usally I don't get to play them more than a couple of hours , because I read more books and have a family :-), but as a concept I am very interested in strategy games (that's why I love the podcast and Flash of Steel). WWII Strategy games are fascinating and horrifying experiences to me at the same time... regards, George I am very interessted in history and games. So I like to read manuals, play tutorials of some strategy games. I have Hearts od Iron II, Civ IV, Sim City IV, Rise of Nations, Alpha Centaury, Birth of America, Combat Mission and Second Manassas, Waterloo. Usally I don’t get to play them more than a couple of hours , because I read more books and have a family :-), but as a concept I am very interested in strategy games (that’s why I love the podcast and Flash of Steel).

WWII Strategy games are fascinating and horrifying experiences to me at the same time…

regards,
George

]]> By: JonathanStrange http://flashofsteel.com/index.php/2009/06/29/grigsbys-war-in-the-east/comment-page-1/#comment-216393 JonathanStrange Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:01:02 +0000 http://flashofsteel.com/?p=1592#comment-216393 I game mostly because I enjoy planning and history. I like assessing a situation, coming up with a plan, and watching how it plays out . Yet, I think some historical settings and situations are still too recent or too controversial for many people to accept. Somehow the obscurity of the subject, the ancientness of the event, and the weapons used make most wargames more acceptable to the general public. Few people object to the portrayal of the Carthaginians, the treatment of the peasants by the Pharoahs, or to games that feature the violent death by sword, arrow and spear of thousands. Yet I imagine their plight was just as terrible to them as any 20th century WW2 participant. I game mostly because I enjoy planning and history. I like assessing a situation, coming up with a plan, and watching how it plays out .

Yet, I think some historical settings and situations are still too recent or too controversial for many people to accept. Somehow the obscurity of the subject, the ancientness of the event, and the weapons used make most wargames more acceptable to the general public.

Few people object to the portrayal of the Carthaginians, the treatment of the peasants by the Pharoahs, or to games that feature the violent death by sword, arrow and spear of thousands. Yet I imagine their plight was just as terrible to them as any 20th century WW2 participant.

]]> By: salwon http://flashofsteel.com/index.php/2009/06/29/grigsbys-war-in-the-east/comment-page-1/#comment-216376 salwon Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:10:26 +0000 http://flashofsteel.com/?p=1592#comment-216376 The Red Army wasn't exactly a group of saints... There's also this ridiculous notion among wargamers that the Wermacht was a pristine institution, and that all the bad stuff happened after they left. That's not true in the slightest, but it helps people play games like this. You bring up a good point, but I have to ask: how familiar are you with hardcore strategy/wargames? Games like the one in the OP have been around forever, it's refreshing to hear the opinion of someone new to the subject. The Red Army wasn’t exactly a group of saints…

There’s also this ridiculous notion among wargamers that the Wermacht was a pristine institution, and that all the bad stuff happened after they left. That’s not true in the slightest, but it helps people play games like this.

You bring up a good point, but I have to ask: how familiar are you with hardcore strategy/wargames? Games like the one in the OP have been around forever, it’s refreshing to hear the opinion of someone new to the subject.

]]> By: George http://flashofsteel.com/index.php/2009/06/29/grigsbys-war-in-the-east/comment-page-1/#comment-216375 George Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:50:26 +0000 http://flashofsteel.com/?p=1592#comment-216375 I think that I feel very, very uncomfortable to play the German forces during 41-45 especially on the eastern front, because whenever your troops march by a village you know what that meant: all male people shot, jews selected and killed. To come to an end: if I had to choose, I probably would play the red army I did not want to offend the creators or the customers, but playing a strategy game on the eastern front is at least problematic ... but I don't know how to solve that problem. Talking about simulation: I am also not sure what you are simulating there. Certainly not reality. regards George I think that I feel very, very uncomfortable to play the German forces during 41-45 especially on the eastern front, because whenever your troops march by a village you know what that meant: all male people shot, jews selected and killed. To come to an end: if I had to choose, I probably would play the red army

I did not want to offend the creators or the customers, but playing a strategy game on the eastern front is at least problematic … but I don’t know how to solve that problem. Talking about simulation: I am also not sure what you are simulating there. Certainly not reality.

regards
George

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